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Post by Estes Kefauver on Mar 29, 2014 17:26:19 GMT
Have YOU been forced confess anything? Have YOU been tortured? Are YOU replying from Gitmo? How many people died on 911? Did they not have any rights? As for your "Arabs" and/or "brown people", as long as they are not "known criminals" and/or "terrorists", they have all the same rights. "Known criminals" and/or "terrorists" do not. Therein is why I want the government up their collective asses. That is what protects you, me and everyone else from known criminals and/or terrorists. Or are their rights more important than yours or mine?
Just because a politician who opposes our latest President says something (Rand Paul), does not make it any gospel. I'm going to let you in on something here ... all of this stuff you are bent out of shape over was practiced by the parties in opposition to our current President too. None of this stuff is new.
The Constitution is an ever-changing living document. It is not by any means the same now as it was during the time of those who wrote it. Because people Rand Paul, the Tea Party, the NRA, et al refuse to understand and accept that, we have problems like in this thread.
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Post by Armanoïd on Mar 29, 2014 19:05:45 GMT
"As for your "Arabs" and/or "brown people", as long as they are not "known criminals" and/or "terrorists", they have all the same rights." Nope, as a matter of fact, they don't, otherwise, some of them wouldn't have endeded up in gitmo for nothing. Again "http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/most-guantanamo-detainees-are-innocent-ex-bush-official-1.804550" "Therein is why I want the government up their collective asses. That is what protects you, me and everyone else from known criminals and/or terrorists." Sounds familiaren.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... What kind of criminals are you talking about exactly ? The little ones in the streets ? Come on, those are allowed to exist in the first place. There's no "low criminality" without a higher complicity. "http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1" "The Constitution is an ever-changing living document. It is not by any means the same now as it was during the time of those who wrote it." Sure Then at some point you might want to consider to give up on your right to bear arms, in order to let some1 else protect you ? ... Why not ? |
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Post by Estes Kefauver on Mar 29, 2014 19:54:24 GMT
LOL. Just because I'm a veteran doesn't mean that I have cabinets at home filled with guns. I have none ... nix, nil, nadda, zero, zip, zilch. That famous "right to bear arms", was written so that we could have a protective militia, ready for defense. NOT so that every yahoo cowboy could have something strapped to his thigh or that big-game hunters could have assault rifles to go track down their prey. Remember what I said? ... "Ever-changing living document".
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
That's really good stuff ... circa 1946. Something that could never, aside from those who believe in governmental armageddon, happen today, based on the evolution of society.
How many people were killed/injured on September 11, 2001? Here, I'll give you some information:
Location: New York City; Arlington County, Virginia; vicinity of Shanksville, Pennsylvania
Date: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:46 – 10:28 am (UTC-4)
Attack type: Aircraft hijackings; Suicide attacks; Mass murder; Terrorism
Deaths: 2,996 (2,977 victims, 19 hijackers)
Non-fatal injuries: 6,000+
Perpetrators : Al-Qaeda
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Post by Armanoïd on Mar 29, 2014 21:47:29 GMT
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." It means exactly what it says, that the people’s individual right (which includes average joe) to be armed will be respected and that the resulting armed populace will be secure against tyranny, invasion, and crime. The presence of armed citizens is what keeps the government "honest". Despite this shall not, countless attempts have been made to infrige upon that right, in the name of "safety" Why ? Safety ? Let's ask an expert about safety: "http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/exclusive-westgate-interpol-chief-ponders-armed-citizenry/story?id=20637341" In other words, to counter terrorist acts of that kind, it's total police state on steroids or armed citizens (with or without steroids) The biggest mass murderers in history, are the states, period. If every "shall not" in the US constitution are removed, what's the point of having a constitution in the first place ? How many people died with the Iraq invasion ? "http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/15/iraq-death-toll_n_4102855.html" Half a million... What's the link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda ? ... "http://whowhatwhy.com/2014/02/28/fbi-direct-link-bin-laden-1993/" "http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/10266957/Saudis-offer-Russia-secret-oil-deal-if-it-drops-Syria.html" Iraq ? Give me a fucking break "http://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-involved-in-the-war-in-syria-2013-10"  |
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Post by Estes Kefauver on Mar 29, 2014 22:30:22 GMT
Keep thinking and believing whatever you like. It's all good. Just remember ... YOU been not been forced to confess anything. YOU have not been been tortured. YOU are not replying from Gitmo. YOU can still get in your car and drive into any major city to order Chinese take-out. YOU can still go to any random news-stand and purchase any given newspaper available from the world market. YOUR YouTube has not been restricted from your IP. YOU have not been shut-out from any places of your choice to worship. YOU can still vote and purchase/drink alcoholic beverages, if you are of legal age. YOU still rise and sleep under the blanket of the very freedom that the armed forces provide.
If I am wrong about these things I apologize. I'm just guessing that you are an American citizen (I don't say that argumentatively, just conversationally). I'm still waiting on that 95% less freedom idea (95% is a really big number). |
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Post by Armanoïd on Mar 29, 2014 23:18:57 GMT
Fine
You have your positions, I have mines
And to answer your questions
No, I'm not american, and I haven't been tortured
And for the "YOU" thing, to me, it's like the "I don't care about spying I have nothing to hide"
The problem is not whether I have or don't have something to hide
The problem is not whether it happens or doesn't happen to me
The problem is that it is happening
What's the next step ?
What will happen when those informations collected will fall in the wrong hands ?
Politicians, public servants, blackmailed by foreign countries and/or special interests ?
You see what's at stake here ?
And it's global
That's where my concern is, leaks happen, big time, hacking too
In France when the police archives where taken by the nazis, all the religious and political records made on citizens were available to them
That's why there are laws to prevent that kind of archives to be built now
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_IRS_scandal"
On a slightly different topic, you might be interested by that, or not:
"http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/27/us/air-force-cheating-investigation/"
Previously, this year
"http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/16/air-force-34-nuclear-missile-officers-implicated-in-cheating-scandal/"
October, last year
"http://www.standupamericaus.org/breaking-news/obama-purging-the-military-197-officers-in-5-years/"
"http://www.ap.org/Content/AP-In-The-News/2013/General-in-charge-of-nuclear-missiles-is-fired"
"http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/09/03/reports-of-undocumented-nuclear-weapons-movement/"
Source is infowars for this one...
So, let's say it doesn't count
More, today:
"http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-29/russias-military-begins-massive-nuclear-war-drill"
What does it mean ?
Are all those events somehow connected ?
I don't know
It's just there, and unusual, to say the least
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Post by Estes Kefauver on Mar 29, 2014 23:28:24 GMT
OK then. So now I realize that I'm having this discussion with a person who is not a citizen of the country of the conversation. That explains a lot. A whole lot of time and effort could have been saved if I was aware of that from the get-go. If I may ask, what country are you a citizen of? I ask out of curiosity only, no spying or information filing going on. LOL.
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Post by Armanoïd on Mar 31, 2014 15:29:54 GMT
From one of the supposed allies your country is spying on. One of the country included in that shit project, called the "TAFTA" An fancy acronym to describe the undemocratic project to merge US and Europe en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_PartnershipBut what's the big deal uh ? The world is globalized, get used to it The shit falling on you falls on me |
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Post by Estes Kefauver on Apr 1, 2014 1:46:51 GMT
What's the big deal? Nothing really. I was actually just curious. I don't usually give much concern when a citizen of some other country rags mine. It's OK. I do find it funny though, that you speak very much as if you were a citizen. Again, no big deal, I would have just conversed in a different direction if I had known from the beginning.
I'm gonna let you in on a little secret here ... Every country, outside of third-world countries, spies on other countries. That's not anything new.
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Post by Admin on Apr 1, 2014 22:36:44 GMT
Rules and principals set up to favor who? The ones who make them and all their friends/business partners? Or everybody?
Known criminals or terrorists, or "suspected" criminals or terrorists? Today, you are guilty until proven innocent.
Not the other way around.
For that good old law where you have the right to remain silent? That's also a bunch of shit today as well. You are
automatically considered guilty if you remain silent in today's world.
Did you pay any attention to the Occupy movement protests? Where laws and rules were changed on the "fly" as we
called it. One day it was ok to do something, until the government/cops saw that it benefited the protestors.
So the very next day, what was perfectly fine to do yesterday, was suddenly not ok today. And they could
arrest you for it. Just like what good is a protest against a specific group of people. If you aren't even allowed
to protest near where that specific group of people are meeting? It would be nice if I still had my You Tube account
to be better able to speak/write about all of the "rights" that were taken away from the protestors. But thanks to
the heavy hand of the law. Hundreds & even thousands of people who posted protest & Occupy videos on You Tube
have been seeing their accounts deleted without any explanation. I just recently had a new protest video "blocked",
simply because a guy was carrying a Boom Box during the protest. And because it was playing music that is owned by
one of the big "media" companies. They claim that I don't have permission to use the song in my video??? What a crock
of shit
The Patriot Act virtually makes it so both the government & law officials can make the constitution & bill of rights
disappear. Any time they see fit, for any reason & for any person.
Giving corporations "personhood" status virtually ensures that a citizens vote doesn't count. Unless of course that citizen
has enough money & or connections to make it so.
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Post by Estes Kefauver on Apr 3, 2014 0:18:02 GMT
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Post by Admin on Apr 3, 2014 3:38:31 GMT
To this day, I will still say it was "proposed" to be Al-Qaeda behind 9/11. If it was them, they were aided and abetted by the US government. How many people were killed/injured on September 11, 2001? Here, I'll give you some information: [/div]
Location: New York City; Arlington County, Virginia; vicinity of Shanksville, Pennsylvania
Date: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:46 – 10:28 am (UTC-4)
Attack type: Aircraft hijackings; Suicide attacks; Mass murder; Terrorism
Deaths: 2,996 (2,977 victims, 19 hijackers)
Non-fatal injuries: 6,000+
Perpetrators : Al-Qaeda
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Post by Admin on Apr 3, 2014 3:45:28 GMT
lol, what is this supposed to mean? Or why was it posted in this thread? |
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Post by Estes Kefauver on Apr 3, 2014 21:15:01 GMT
OK. First off, You've got to be kidding. Are you really saying that the U.S. government had anything to do with the 9/11 situation?!?
Secondly, I posted the cartoon based on the silly ideas that the U.S. government is to blame for everything. I thought it was funny in that.
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