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Post by rodac on Mar 24, 2014 6:10:54 GMT
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Post by Estes Kefauver on Mar 25, 2014 3:06:54 GMT
This clown needs a bullet in his ear. We could cut costs by putting his head side-by-side with that Wiki-Leaks nut-job and take them both out. We could also do humanity a favor and have people in need of organ transplants ready and use what can be harvested from both of these assholes.
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Post by Armanoïd on Mar 25, 2014 12:39:17 GMT
Thanks to him, now we know "conspiracy theorists" were right.
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Post by rodac on Mar 26, 2014 3:07:12 GMT
This clown needs a bullet in his ear. We could cut costs by putting his head side-by-side with that Wiki-Leaks nut-job and take them both out. We could also do humanity a favor and have people in need of organ transplants ready and use what can be harvested from both of these assholes. You really are brain dead aren't you. Good grief!!! Go back to sleep. |
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Post by Estes Kefauver on Mar 27, 2014 2:23:04 GMT
OK. Your reply obviously comes from someone with no military or security experience.
By the way ... before you call me anything more ... be aware that I spent a number of years, employed by the United States, to protect the freedoms of it's citizens ... even the right to have goofy uneducated opinions.
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Post by rodac on Mar 27, 2014 4:03:26 GMT
OK. Your reply obviously comes from someone with no military or security experience. By the way ... before you call me anything more ... be aware that I spent a number of years, employed by the United States, to protect the freedoms of it's citizens ... even the right to have goofy uneducated opinions. Surprise, surprise. Another military asshole that believes every pile of bullshit that they throw at you. Take your pills and sleep well. |
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Post by Estes Kefauver on Mar 27, 2014 5:01:26 GMT
LOL. Whatever your feelings are, whatever you think or believe, you never say or do anything that puts another service-person in danger. That is an act of treason.
Soldiers have a greater responsibility than you could possibly understand. You scream for your rights and curse the government and the military. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That security and government intelligence, saves lives. And the military's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. We use words like service, honor, code and loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that the armed forces provide, and then questions the manner in which they provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way.
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Post by rodac on Mar 27, 2014 7:20:17 GMT
You and your beloved government have done nothing but decrease my freedom
by 95%.
The military have only tortured and murdered innocents, raped and murdered female children in Irag. Now Afganiston is running your asses out of the country. Hide behind the flag all you want. The world knows what your ilk have done.
What you claim was only true in WWII. You are not hero's in any fashion.
You don't understand the concept of hero.
I'm not totally against you, but at least research what the USA and its military have become. We are not the good guys anymore.
Pat attention and Grow up!!! Or you can just remain a useful idiot.
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Post by Estes Kefauver on Mar 27, 2014 19:33:28 GMT
LOL @ You.
Oh yeah ... Please ... Entertain us here a little and explain all about that 95% of your lost freedoms. I'm on the edge of my chair waiting.
Thanks for your time and consideration in this matter. LOL @ You still.
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Post by Armanoïd on Mar 27, 2014 22:42:38 GMT
If the ad ominem stuff could be turned off here too, that would be great.
Sophism don't score
Anyway, I agree on the, "never say or do anything that puts another service-person in danger" part, which is totally justified
It's called ethics
It doesn't count much in pretty much any exam, but it's vital
Even the mafia had its ethical codes, their rules, based on their definition of what's moral what's not
And we all know what happened to them once those rules of conduct were trampled: Pretty much every1 went to jail for life/got assassinated
And in the end, the whole organisation collapsed
Now it's gangs, gangs everywhere, with countless civilian casualties
In some way, the mafia was a lesser evil
But I digress
The question is:
Is there an other way to deal with the issue ?
Checks and balance ?
Some1 to report abuses and unconstitutional practices to make them stop ?
Such as, blackmail of congress men or judges from the supreme court for instance ?
Obviously not
"http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-03-25/quote-chair-senate-intelligence-committee-proves-intelligence-agencies-are-co"
"http://politicsplanetsuzy.freeforums.net/thread/18/blow-mind"
A shadow government ?
The NSA "violating the intelligence acts of 1947 and 1978, which require NSA and all other intelligence agencies to notify Congress of all the programs that they’re running" ?
"Congress Not Informed that the Constitution Was More Or Less Suspended" ?
"A Federal judge who was on the secret spying court for 3 years says that it’s a kangaroo court
Even the current judges on the secret spying court now admit that they’re out of the loop and powerless to exercise real oversight." ?
I mean, if the constitution has become irrelevant, what's left ?
Why even vote ?
There's nothing left, the US is a dead man walking
Does it justify to violate the ethics of the intelligence business ?
No
Should this ethics be placed above the constitution ?
No
The real problem here in this whole story, IMHO, is not the fact that snowden has leaked documents
The real problem is the fact that the Constitutional system of checks and balances is irrelevant now
If this system had worked as it is supposed to be, snowden could have done it the right way
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Post by rodac on Mar 28, 2014 16:46:24 GMT
LOL @ You.
Oh yeah ... Please ... Entertain us here a little and explain all about that 95% of your lost freedoms. I'm on the edge of my chair waiting.
Thanks for your time and consideration in this matter. LOL @ You still. You do beg the question, how did humans ever manage to climb down out of the trees? If you don't get it yet, you never will. I have no time to post facts that you couldn't comprehend anyway. Typical military. Here's a wild guess. I bet you sit in the front row of church every Sunday. I'm through conversing with you. Waste of my precious time. |
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Post by Estes Kefauver on Mar 29, 2014 5:18:51 GMT
The point is, that you have no idea of what freedom is. You haven't lost anything. You think you've lost something. You want to believe that you've lost something. You go out of your way to tell everyone who will listen that you've lost something. You can not however, explain at all what it is that you have lost.
Can you get in your car and drive into any major city to order Chinese take-out? Can you go to any random news-stand and purchase any given newspaper available from the world market? Has YouTube been restricted from your IP? Have you been shut-out from any places of worship? If you are of legal age can you vote and purchase/drink alcoholic beverages?
Unless you can explain any examples of freedoms that have been taken away from you ... your freedom hasn't been decreased.
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Post by Armanoïd on Mar 29, 2014 14:54:57 GMT
Free speech?
You can be fired for expressing political views online, even when you’re not at work.
Right to privacy ?
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Due process ?
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IMHO, the US is heading toward an iceberg, Titanic style
Slowly but steadily the constituion is rendered obsolete and irrelevant
One day you might wake up in a soft totalitarian system
But that's just my opinion
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Post by Estes Kefauver on Mar 29, 2014 15:47:25 GMT
Everyone thinks they know the true definition of "free speech". It does not give you any right to say what you want when or where you want to say it. It never has, it never will. That was never the intention or definition. Go look it up.
Legal proceedings carried out fairly and in accord with established rules and principles. Due process standards are sometimes referred to as either substantive or procedural. Substantive due process refers to a requirement that laws and regulations be related to a legitimate government interest such as crime prevention and not contain provisions that result in the unfair or arbitrary treatment of an individual. The 5th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States states that “no person shall…be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” This right was extended to the states by the 14th Amendment (1868). Fundamental to procedural due process are adequate notice before the government can deprive one of life, liberty, or property, and the opportunity to be heard and defend one's rights. The boundaries of due process are not fixed and are the subject of endless judicial interpretation and decision making. Go ahead, tell me how and when this was taken from you. Please don't give me any BS about Gitmo because YOU are not incarcerated at Gitmo.
That privacy thing is beautiful. Just how important do you really think that you are to believe that the United States government is actually spying on you? There are over 7-billion people in the world, over 316-million in the United States. Do you actually know just how important you've got to be for any government agency to care enough to spy on you? Now of course if you are some kind of criminal or terrorist threat of some kind, then that is a different story. To protect MY rights of "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness", I want the government's nose right up your ass.
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Post by Armanoïd on Mar 29, 2014 17:01:07 GMT
Yeah I'm fully aware of what free speech is all about It was put in place to prevent forced confessions You know... Torture... Stuffs like that  What about the people in gitmo ? Regardless of what they "might" have done... "http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/most-guantanamo-detainees-are-innocent-ex-bush-official-1.804550" They get realeased after years of torture, thanks for the fish What are those people if they are not persons ? They are what, numbers ? Oh I forgot, that's just arabs, brown people, who gives a shit Guess what "http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/ndaa-indefinite-detention-bill-rand-paul_n_2347774.html" "http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/with-reservations-obama-signs-act-to-allow-detention-of-citizens/" It does apply to your ass, too "http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/obama-signs-legislation-killing-bill-rights" "https://www.aclu.org/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-bill-law" As the ACLU notes: "To protect MY rights of "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness", I want the government's nose right up your ass." Hm, yeah Chances are, their noses will end up in nobody's ass but yours, because, they gave themselves the right to do so Fuck the constitution right ? |
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